Typologies: Enneagram Type 8 Thinking vs. Feeling

I am enjoying reading the results of those that have participated in the Enneagram Tritype, Instinctual Type and Myers-Briggs Type study.

To have a current sense of the tests available for all of these categories I have taken many tests again in all of these systems. I am struck by how important it is to ask the right questions and enough questions to cover important variables.

I can easily see how some questions in MBTI perfectly match some Enneagram Types, Tritypes and/or Instinctual Types... and some of these possible types are entirely missed. For example, the questions written to ascertain if one is more introverted or extroverted are written primarily for the social instinct vs. self-preserving instinct… and there are very few if any questions that include the sexual/intimate instinct.

8 and the T vs. the F
Working with a great many 8s, I have found that 8s that are willing to explore the world of therapy, coaching or self-help do not really identify with or test with a distinct preference for the T or the F. When these 8s are with Ts they feel more passionate about their opinions and feel more F by comparison and when they are with Fs they feel more realistic and practical and feel more like T by comparison. This is true for me as well.

Extravert(22%) iNtuitive(30%) Thinking(1%) Perceiving(67%)
You have slight preference of Extraversion over Introversion (22%)
You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (30%)
You have marginal or no preference of Thinking over Feeling (1%)
You have distinct preference of Perceiving over Judging (67%)

So, I come out as an ENTP... which is for the most part accurate but does not account for my compassion. Some tests will say ENXP. I have found that ENXP is the most accurate but it could be that I am just the playful, no nonsense ENFP 8. ;)

As an 8 I tend to see the questions as difficult because they are not in 8 speak. Most of the F questions are too sappy or saccharine for my language choices. I also find that the T questions are better but too indifferent and more self-preservation. I clearly care about people and enjoy working with them at a deep level but IMO that is simply the sx874.

Simply put, if one has empathy and will help people one will test as an F in most of the testing instruments. I have also found that 8s do not like the language use, questions or description for the ENFP. Having said that, there are many ENFP 8s that are therapists, coaches and body workers in the self-help field.

How do you as your EType, and/or Tritype, Instinctual Type relate to your Myers-Briggs Type? Are they complimentary or at odds with one another?

©1995-2019 Katherine Chernick Fauvre

Enneagram Archetypes vs Stereotypes and our First Impressions

I have been working on my presentation "Archetypes and Stereotypes" for the upcoming IEA conference... as you might imagine, my 8 lust wants to say everything and share 400 slides in just a 2 hour time slot.... and in high speed like a 7...including the meaning and significance like the 4...in an up close and personal manner like the sx.

I posted this in my personal thread by accident...and it is in Enneagram Daily but thought I would share it here. Someone tearily asked if it was a trick question....Haha….no, not a trick question.... but could be of course, you never know with an 874;))

These two women share the same facial archetype and are often mistaken for one another.... Someone’s visual archetype (facial features and body type) are two of 12 key points I look at when evaluating someone's potential instinctual type and tritype (as well as MBTI, body language and core energetic character structure, etc). In other words, what we can see and observe.

Most of us begin with an immediate first impression of someone… As a child, I was curious if others also felt an immediate impression of people and made a quick decision about what a type of person they may be. And, I wondered how consciously and quickly they formed a first impression. Oh and yes, my family and my friends did wonder why I was always examining similarities and differences between people… now they are just used to it… ;)

At the age of 7, in in 1960, I began my study of human nature with the little Dell books that could be found on any subject in the magazine section or checkout counter in most drugstores and grocery stores.

Later, in the 1970s, I learned of research that suggested a first impression is made within the first 20 seconds of seeing someone and rarely, if ever changes. Then, later research suggested 7 seconds and then 2 seconds. Recent studies by Princeton researchers suggest that a first impression is made in 1/10 of a second... I have always found this to be true... and believe it may be even faster. It is similar to Malcolm Gladwell's theory of the “blink” test from his book Blink (the power of thinking without thinking).

I also devoured documentaries that explained the nuances of brain function for idiots… ;)) I was intrigued as to what governed and determined which immediate action needed to take place first to insure survival… I was surprised to learn that the brain makes and acts on assumptions. These assumptions are biological imperatives, as the brain must make snap decisions to increase our odds of survival when faced with eminent danger. So in essence, the short story is that our brain guesses… and/or lies to improve our chances of survival (longer story). Simply put, our brain reacts to stimuli and at first glance, it can’t distinguish between a snake and something that looks like a snake… so it pumps adrenaline, and basically says “danger!” until additional data says the coast is clear… ;) Not a snake but rather a rope in an 'S' shape.

So, it would stand to reason that we as a species would need to make snap judgments as to whether or not someone is familiar to us or a stranger….and, if a stranger, are they a threat to us? Our brain would rapidly sort though images and emotional experiences to determine if someone might be a threat....a fellow tribe member that would feed us or an enemy tribe that would harm us or eat us... ;)).

So, if these two women are so similar in appearance, the question that would naturally arise is “Are they the same Enneagram type?” If we consider stereotypes, our answer (most likely unconsciously) would be yes…. But are they truly the same type? If we look further, perhaps we will confirm they are or we may discover they are not.

I would propose in round numbers that roughly 80% of the time, those with so many visual similarities would share the same type and 20% of the time they would not. And as many of you already know, I do love to explore the 20% that are more atypical… I then, along with other points of consideration, listen for language use and observe micro expressions and body language to have a more complete picture of someone’s potential tritype and instinctual type.

Our snap judgments and resulting assumptions create our first impression (and by extension our view of typing), This was the focus of my IEA presentation in 2013. I will explore, compare and contrast both archetypes and stereotypes and how they influence our opinion of someone’s potential type. So, as fellow enthusiasts, I would love to know your thoughts.